作者: 心結(jié) 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:18
可不是,，NND,，由于自己沒(méi)盯著，噴個(gè)清漆噴個(gè)亂七八糟,，動(dòng)平衡不過(guò)關(guān)最后還得褪漆重新來(lái)過(guò)……
作者: 河豚會(huì)吹泡泡 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:19
強(qiáng)烈支持998出本,。但估計(jì)也沒(méi)有多少時(shí)間天天這樣玩。
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:23
再來(lái)看看美國(guó)佬的招人要求：
Experience in mechanical design/ packaging to meet temperature, shock,vibration and EMI requirements for military and aviation products.
Must be able to participate as an individual contributor and as a project leader in the design and development of rugged computer and computer peripheral products.
Design military and aviation computer products including laptop computer enclosures, rack mount chassis, board level assemblies and piece parts.
Follow projects from initial specification through qualification, manufacture and entire product lifecycle.
Prepare and check sketches and diagrams, create 3-D conceptual models as well as full sheet metal assembly models, detailed 2-D fabrication and assembly drawings.
Build and verify prototype designs, and work with other engineering groups and customers to make changes and provements to current designs.
Prepare engineering specifications, bills of material, budgets and schedule estimates.
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美國(guó)佬搞機(jī)械結(jié)構(gòu)的要不要設(shè)計(jì)機(jī)箱,？要不要懂鈑金工藝,？
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:30
美國(guó)佬的要求：
Education:
BSME required
Experience:
Minimum 3 years experience in a hands on product design environment with the requisitemechanical aptitude, visualization, and problem solving skills
Experience with CAD 2D, 3D, and solids modeling of complex objects.
Experience with sheet metal, die cast, injection molded enclosures, plastics and other fabricated piece parts.
Experience with thermal design and analysis.
對(duì)照國(guó)內(nèi)的：
工作職責(zé)：
（1）負(fù)責(zé)產(chǎn)品整機(jī)設(shè)計(jì)與開(kāi)發(fā)。
（2）從事結(jié)構(gòu)設(shè)計(jì)標(biāo)準(zhǔn),、關(guān)鍵技術(shù)研究及應(yīng)用,。
職位要求：
（1）本科以上學(xué)歷，機(jī)械設(shè)計(jì)及理論,、機(jī)械電子工程,、材料成型與加工等相關(guān)專業(yè)，5年以上結(jié)構(gòu)設(shè)計(jì)工作經(jīng)驗(yàn),，扎實(shí)的機(jī)械設(shè)計(jì)基礎(chǔ)知識(shí),。
（2）對(duì)電信（如路由器）、IT（如刀片服務(wù)器,、網(wǎng)絡(luò)存儲(chǔ)）類產(chǎn)品結(jié)構(gòu)設(shè)計(jì)特點(diǎn)及相關(guān)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)有深入認(rèn)識(shí),。
（3）熟練掌握PRO/E、AutoCAD等設(shè)計(jì)軟件,。
（4）熟悉UCD,、結(jié)構(gòu)工程知識(shí)、產(chǎn)品裝配及制造工藝設(shè)計(jì),、及機(jī)械性能測(cè)試,。
（5）了解熱設(shè)計(jì)、EMC及安規(guī)、環(huán)境與防護(hù)等知識(shí),。
（1）負(fù)責(zé)產(chǎn)品整機(jī)設(shè)計(jì)與開(kāi)發(fā)。
（2）從事結(jié)構(gòu)設(shè)計(jì)標(biāo)準(zhǔn),、關(guān)鍵技術(shù)研究及應(yīng)用,。
職位要求：
（1）本科以上學(xué)歷，機(jī)械設(shè)計(jì)及理論,、機(jī)械電子工程,、材料成型與加工等相關(guān)專業(yè)，5年以上結(jié)構(gòu)設(shè)計(jì)工作經(jīng)驗(yàn),，扎實(shí)的機(jī)械設(shè)計(jì)基礎(chǔ)知識(shí),。
（2）對(duì)電信（如路由器）、IT（如刀片服務(wù)器,、網(wǎng)絡(luò)存儲(chǔ)）類產(chǎn)品結(jié)構(gòu)設(shè)計(jì)特點(diǎn)及相關(guān)標(biāo)準(zhǔn)有深入認(rèn)識(shí),。
（3）熟練掌握PRO/E、AutoCAD等設(shè)計(jì)軟件,。
（4）熟悉UCD,、結(jié)構(gòu)工程知識(shí)、產(chǎn)品裝配及制造工藝設(shè)計(jì),、及機(jī)械性能測(cè)試,。
（5）了解熱設(shè)計(jì)、EMC及安規(guī)、環(huán)境與防護(hù)等知識(shí),。
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能有多大的本質(zhì)區(qū)別,？
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:32
美國(guó)佬的設(shè)計(jì)水平比國(guó)內(nèi)高，那是必然的
但要說(shuō)兩者完全沒(méi)有對(duì)話的可能性,，也是難以令人信服的
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:47
美國(guó)佬搞系統(tǒng)的公司一般自然不會(huì)去自己搞機(jī)箱加工,，深圳的通信設(shè)備公司又有幾家會(huì)自己搞個(gè)鈑金廠？
作者: everfree 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:49
surfacer 發(fā)表于 2012-8-24 16:23
再來(lái)看看美國(guó)佬的招人要求：
Experience in mechanical design/ packaging to meet temperature, shock,vi ...
VT Miltope designs, manufactures and integrates computer and peripheral equipment that must operate in the most demanding environmental conditions. VT Miltope is a market leader in several commercial and military markets for rugged computers, rugged laptops and peripheral equipment.
========================斗膽翻譯一下這段：VT Miltope 設(shè)計(jì),、制造和集成應(yīng)用于各種要求和環(huán)境條件下的計(jì)算機(jī)和外圍設(shè)備,。VT Miltope 在多個(gè)商業(yè)和軍工市場(chǎng)所需的堅(jiān)固型的計(jì)算機(jī)、堅(jiān)固型的筆記本和外圍設(shè)備方面,，是市場(chǎng)的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)者,。
===========這樣看，這家公司首先是家設(shè)備制造商,，而且機(jī)箱應(yīng)該是它的強(qiáng)項(xiàng),。
作者: xiaoyetongxu 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 16:54
哦，你們爭(zhēng)吧,，俺也傻乎乎的看著樂(lè)呵樂(lè)呵,，
最近終于把手里的房產(chǎn)全部拋干凈了，賺了一筆中介費(fèi)還,，
馬上就經(jīng)濟(jì)大蕭條,，大家準(zhǔn)備好了嗎？
俺先閃了,，大家保重哈,。
作者: WWLL13 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 17:16
說(shuō)句實(shí)在話沒(méi)有什么可比性,國(guó)內(nèi)的就是一幫奴才領(lǐng)導(dǎo)一幫奴隸,奴隸努力的自以為是天天糞情,
我感覺(jué)襠國(guó)最理想是在溫飽上下浮動(dòng),有跳的直接摁死,所以再不去唧唧歪歪
作者: wangceyuan 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 17:31
“1，教育上的差異,，米國(guó)在MIT或Yale 念工程技術(shù)的家伙,，念完兩年基礎(chǔ)課就休學(xué)了，找工廠實(shí)習(xí)去了,，也許一年也許兩年再回來(lái)，在工廠玩一年再回來(lái)念基礎(chǔ)課,，當(dāng)然這期間沒(méi)有多少收入,，但人家認(rèn)了，為了以后在這個(gè)行業(yè)可以混一輩子,，”
先到工廠實(shí)習(xí)再學(xué)基礎(chǔ)課,，這個(gè)身有體會(huì)啊，能很快明了,。
作者: zhuxiaohua 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 19:31
有一點(diǎn)很有體會(huì)
做一個(gè)新東西,，我就要親力親為，要不，這個(gè)新東西肯定失敗,。
作者: aiwuqing 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 20:26
這樣看來(lái)畢業(yè)到工廠學(xué)習(xí)也是應(yīng)該的,，就是不知道像美國(guó)佬這種學(xué)法在中國(guó)10年過(guò)去還能不能去上老婆
作者: 行走于消逝中 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 20:43
浮躁啊~大躍進(jìn)不是一僦而僦
作者: a5248714 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 20:53
美國(guó)公司推出飛行摩托：形似星球大戰(zhàn)飛行器
據(jù)報(bào)道，這種飛行摩托可以在離地15英尺(約合4.6米)高的空中飛行,，時(shí)速約為48公里,。飛行摩托的驅(qū)動(dòng)裝置是其下面兩個(gè)大大的圓盤(pán)，利用這兩個(gè)圓盤(pán)的旋轉(zhuǎn)產(chǎn)生上升氣流,，可讓摩托升到空中,。
據(jù)制造飛行摩托的公司介紹，這種個(gè)人飛行器上有兩個(gè)手柄,，可手握以調(diào)節(jié)行駛速度和高度,。同時(shí)，飛行摩托內(nèi)置感應(yīng)裝置,，人在上面駕駛時(shí),，可以利用身體傾斜產(chǎn)生的重心變化，改變飛行摩托行進(jìn)的方向,。
這家公司稱,，這種飛行摩托駕駛起來(lái)“非常簡(jiǎn)單，就像騎自行車(chē)一樣容易,�,！蓖瑫r(shí)他們還說(shuō)，由于飛行摩托不受地形限制,，可以廣泛利用于邊境巡邏,、空中救援等緊急情況，也可以應(yīng)用于軍事領(lǐng)域,。
國(guó)人敢想么,？
作者: oliver97 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 20:54
說(shuō)得在理
作者: 原諒我今天 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 20:55
差不多，這三個(gè)字能毀掉多少東西,！
作者: 取經(jīng)路上的唐僧 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 21:54
米國(guó)的成功就是尊重技術(shù),、尊重專業(yè)，可惜你不是鬼佬,。
作者: hellboy1226 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 22:19
在中國(guó)不敢一專精,，有多少林機(jī)會(huì)給你留著，還是在年輕時(shí)多學(xué),，不管什么東西,，全當(dāng)打基礎(chǔ)
作者: 復(fù)蘇之風(fēng) 時(shí)間: 2012-8-24 23:15
終于又見(jiàn)到大俠的好文了
作者: 一葦渡江 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 08:01
看了大俠的帖子身有體會(huì)，前段時(shí)間裝自己新開(kāi)發(fā)的機(jī)器,，一直盯著裝配工人,，那里不對(duì)就給他指出來(lái)，告訴他們要達(dá)到什么要求。機(jī)器裝完了,，裝輔助設(shè)施（翻盒機(jī)構(gòu)）,，我沒(méi)有盯著，心想這東西簡(jiǎn)單,，老師傅裝應(yīng)該沒(méi)有問(wèn)題,。結(jié)果試機(jī)的時(shí)候轉(zhuǎn)不起來(lái)，最后還是我自己拆開(kāi)重裝了才弄好,，就是一個(gè)軸承沒(méi)有敲到位的問(wèn)題,，在那整的那個(gè)累。唉,，所有過(guò)程最好自己都懂,，盯著干，一次性成功,，什么問(wèn)題都不出
作者: bo6543210 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 09:02
看過(guò)大俠以前的帖子,，感慨良多，希望大俠以后多多指教
作者: 誰(shuí)會(huì)愛(ài)地瓜 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 09:03
認(rèn)識(shí)深刻,，見(jiàn)多識(shí)廣
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 10:42
再上牛得一塌糊涂的Cisco Systems：
| Location: | UNITED STATES.CALIFORNIA.SAN JOSE | |
| Job Title: | Server Mechanical Design Lead | |
| Area of Interest: | Engineering - Hardware | |
| Job Description: | Mechanical Design Technical Leader Opportunity Snapshot: In this role you will be part of team designing the next generation of UCS C-series rack servers. We are looking for candidates who strive in a fast paced start-up like environment. You will be part of a dedicated team, open communications, empowerment, innovation, teamwork and customer success are the foundations of the team. Thus, you set your own limits for learning and achievements. We are looking for a self driven individual who can lead cross functional teams and work closely with a wide variety of internal & external engineering partners to enable them to leverage our products for their needs. Job Requirements: • Drive requirements and specifications for chassis design of Cisco’s UCS C-series rack servers. • Strong designer of chassis and mechanical sub-assemblies, with 10+ years experience. • Understanding of thermal design, acoustics, power efficiency, and finite element analysis. • Design for high volume tooling and DFM for assembly. • Provide guidance to other teams on trade offs on costs. • Work with third-party vendor engineering teams, and drive ODM vendors. Technical Background • Candidate must have first hand experience in the design or implementation of multiple chassis for the modern datacenter. • Expert user and knowledge of ProE • Familiarity with the latest cooling techniques and heatsink design • Hands on experience with Intel processor based platforms Experience leading small technical teams to complete complicated mechanical assemblies for mass-production | ||
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要不要搞機(jī)械結(jié)構(gòu)的,？要不要設(shè)計(jì)機(jī)箱？
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 10:52
還是思科的,，Mechanical Engineer III
| Job Description: | Conceptualize, plan and execute the design and development of 1U switch packaging products. Consults with cross-functional units for product requirements, definitions and design. Defines, directs and participates in the design verification and testing of new products. • Direct electronics industry experience, well skilled in the art and science of electronics packaging at the board, box and rack level. • Proficiency in developing conceptual and production designs using Siemens’s NX 3-D solids modeling software, version 10. 4000hr plus of recent experience. Other MCAD application experience considered. • Has experience in the design and development of tooling for high volume sheet metal, plastic and die casting. • Expertise in designing high volume, cost effective products that meet worldwide customer, regulatory and compliance requirements. • Thermal management and structural design expertise. Proficiency using Flotherm for CFD thermal simulations would be a plus. • Responsibilities include initiating informal reviews of ideas and technical objectives within and across business units. • Successful Candidate is expected to perform with little management direction • Exceptional written and verbal communication skills • Grace under pressure and a positive attitude are mandatory. • History of successful collaboration with project teams required • Demonstrates ability to successfully influence win-win cross-functional dynamics. Resolves conflicts by fostering team communications. • Enjoys working in a fast paced and often multi-project environment. Educational Background Recommended Typically requires BSME or equivalent training with 7-10+ yrs related exp. Preferred: MSME or equivalent | ||
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學(xué)歷,，工作經(jīng)驗(yàn)，行業(yè)經(jīng)驗(yàn),，工藝知識(shí),，軟件操作，這些要求一樣不缺,，也一樣不多,，與國(guó)內(nèi)能有什么兩樣？
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 10:58
還是思科的,，熱設(shè)計(jì)崗位：
| Job Description: | Conceptualize, plan and execute the design and development of network switch products with emphasis in thermal management. Direct electronics industry experience, well skilled in the art and science of electronics packaging at the board, box and rack level, Must be knowledgeable with all modes heat transfer in electronics (convection, conduction and radiation) and should be able to balance the design to use each mode effectively, efficiently and to the best cost advantage. Good thermal modeling skills are expected and successful candidate should be adept at laboratory methods as well. Proficiency using Flotherm for CFD thermal simulations is required. Consults with cross-functional units for product requirements, definitions and design. Defines, directs and participates in the design verification and testing of new products. -Help define thermal design of Cisco’s products that meets or exceeds the requirements while balancing multiple changing and conflicting requirements. -Develops multiple platforms concurrently. --Collaborate on investigations of new thermal technologies and materials. -Interfaces directly with partner companies in prototype development. - Takes direction and input from product design architects and tech leads in design and implementation of the best thermal solution for the product. -Define, guide and complete statistical data reduction of thermal lab experiments to characterize thermal materials, cooling components, and cooling systems. -Performs extensive Thermal modeling and testing, correlates results, and provides simple and concise summaries to management and non-thermal engineering peers. -Communication of status/results via presentations to thermal/product design team. -Actively participate in cross-functional team design reviews and technology investigations. -Manages work and test done by technicians and lower level engineers. -Expertise in designing for high volume, cost effective products that meet worldwide customer, regulatory and compliance requirements. -Initiates informal reviews of ideas and technical objectives within and across business units. -Proficiency in structural analysis desired -Some expertise in a 3D solids based MCAD system desired. -Experienced in thermal and airflow testing -Excellent communication skills -Experienced in Networking/Computer product development -Experienced with blower and fan design -Experienced with both forced and natural convection, conduction and radiation heat transfer techniques -Experience with manufacturing, thermal parts/components supply chains and cross-communications between design, ODM and third party vendor teams Successful Candidate is expected to perform with little management direction. Demonstrates ability to successfully influence win-win cross-functional dynamics. Resolves conflicts by fostering team communications. Enjoys working in a fast paced and often multi-project environment. Exercises considerable latitude in determining technical objectives of assignment. Completed work is reviewed by management through consultation from a relatively long time perspective, for results. Translates BU level goals in to own work assignments. Interfaces cross-functionally and leads team collaboration extending beyond work group. Requires excellent verbal skills and professional presentation. Sponsors and models exemplary team interaction. Encourages and accepts personal feedback. Mentors junior team members. Demonstrate ability to successfully influence win-win cross-functional dynamics. Resolves conflicts by fostering team communications. Provides technical guidance to small teams. Takes ownership for initiatives and drives on-going evaluation and success. Determines own methods on issue resolution. Uses judgment to solve problems where protocol might not exist. Applies high degree of ingenuity using broad parameters for foundation of decisions. Solve Problems & Make Decisions. Demonstrate Leadership. Establishes Plans. Thinks Globally. Dedication to Customer Success. Innovation and Learning. Educational Background Recommended Typically requires BSME or equivalent training with 7-10+ yrs related exp. Preferred: MSME or equivalent. | ||
作者: everfree 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 11:04
surfacer 發(fā)表于 2012-8-25 10:52
還是思科的,，Mechanical Engineer III
Conceptualize, plan and execute the design and development of 1U switch packaging products. Consults with cross-functional units for product requirements, definitions and design. Defines, directs and participates in the design verification and testing of new products.
===========這段是職責(zé)范圍要求，您給翻譯一下好嗎,？
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 11:20
再上思科招的中國(guó)Senior Mechanical Design Engineer要求：
| Job Description: | Responsibilities: 1.Plan and execute the design and development of system packaging for internetworking products. 2.Defines, participates in the design verification and testing of new products. 3.Leads the resolution of field and product problems. 4.Selects electro-mechanical components such as air movers, heatsinks and complex interconnection systems and supports the evaluation and selection of new suppliers. 5.Provides vendors with improvement recommendations. 6.Responsible for the design and documentation of computer enclosures and related electro-mechanical assemblies using solids modeling techniques. 7.Performs system level structural and thermal analysis and analysis data is in-depth. Involve the determination of form factors, raw materials, and manufacturing processes. 8.Consults with internal cross-functional units for definition and design of product requirements. Be able to take the leadership in the design and development of a sub system in a high complex engineering projects. 9.Involve in developing technical content of the system specification/unit function specification. Identifies issues and technical interdependencies and suggests possible changes. Requirements: 1.Fluency in spoken and written English. Expertise in designing to meet worldwide compliance requirements. 2.Technical expertise in 3D solids based MCAD system and desire for maximum productivity. Proficiency in Thermal Analysis tools (Flotherm, Icepak, etc.) and/or structural analysis SW tools (Ansys, Pro Mechanical etc) desirable. 3.Able to perform complex stress, beam and thermal calculations to guide designs. 4.Proficient in geometric tolerance and tolerance analysis. 5.Able to generate test plans, conduct tests and generate test reports for Thermal and MDVT. Understanding of Safety Agency design criteria and EMC design techniques for modules and enclosures. 6.Works independently, initiates reviews of ideas with stake holders. Interfaces cross-functionally and participates in cross-functional consultation with Customer Services, Mfg, Mktg and HW Engineering. 8.Customer resolution requires excellent verbal skills and professional presentation. Education: BSME with 5-7 years, or MSME with 5+ years, Global work experience with US companies preferred. | ||
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除了多了一項(xiàng)要求：Fluency in spoken and written English,，其它還真的沒(méi)有本質(zhì)性差別
作者: everfree 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 11:45
思科是做系統(tǒng)的，卻要有機(jī)械設(shè)計(jì)師,，按說(shuō)這不難理解。但是surfacer社友揪住做系統(tǒng)的不做箱子一句話不放,，我想對(duì)于不了解工業(yè)的外行人來(lái)說(shuō),，這種情況也可以理解。舉個(gè)例子：波音公司，也是個(gè)做系統(tǒng)的,，但是他不制造發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī),、起落架、液壓件,、儀表,、通訊設(shè)備、座椅,。,。。,。,。。,，但是他必須擁有上述各個(gè)專業(yè)的工程師,，甚至美術(shù)設(shè)計(jì)師，進(jìn)行各方面設(shè)計(jì),、研究,，否則波音設(shè)計(jì)不出飛機(jī)。思科也是一回事,，系統(tǒng)商,，不是部件、組件,、細(xì)分產(chǎn)品的制造商,，但是他必須有各個(gè)方面的設(shè)計(jì)師。說(shuō)到這里,，我想surfacer社友應(yīng)該明白樓主那句話的意思了,。
作者: chidiandong 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 12:02
樓上說(shuō)的好，998大俠說(shuō)的更好,。
作者: pfizer2001 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 12:46
寶鋼是日本最先進(jìn)的技術(shù)吧,！應(yīng)該寶鋼是國(guó)內(nèi)最好的鋼鐵制造企業(yè)？為什么寶鋼生產(chǎn)不出來(lái)好的鋼材,？
還有,，998說(shuō)的玩，我很認(rèn)同,，如果不喜歡,，去干一件事情，是很崩潰的,，美國(guó)的大學(xué)很累的,，要比清華北大累多了去了,，不僅僅一個(gè)月幾次的考試，還有項(xiàng)目,，還有很多
德國(guó) 或者英國(guó)確實(shí)很重視技術(shù)學(xué)校,，在瑞士有一個(gè)公司叫BUCHI ，里面需要吹玻璃的工人,，而這個(gè)角色好多是祖?zhèn)�,，或者是技術(shù)學(xué)校畢業(yè)就在這個(gè)公司做的 公司一般有50-100甚至200年的歷史，德國(guó)也有好多 公司在一個(gè)不起眼的小鎮(zhèn)子,，鎮(zhèn)子里的大部分給這個(gè)公司做配套
還有大公司肖特,，制作玻璃的，高端的玻璃用于望遠(yuǎn)鏡,，光學(xué)的,，低端的制造很多玻璃儀器，但是質(zhì)量都很牛
日本的小松,，哈哈,，那天看兵器雜志，說(shuō)二戰(zhàn)的時(shí)候日本生產(chǎn)的坦克,，小松專門(mén)給生產(chǎn)裝甲,，術(shù)業(yè)有專攻，日本人尊敬技師,，我們似乎尊敬村長(zhǎng) 鄉(xiāng)長(zhǎng) 縣長(zhǎng)
有的人說(shuō)制度不行,，我覺(jué)得還做臺(tái)灣的制度，我們能馬上好起來(lái)么,？
不是一天兩天了,，病入膏肓，民族性格,，等等,，
蘇聯(lián)的官二代以當(dāng)一個(gè)數(shù)學(xué)家，鋼琴家為驕傲,，我們呢/?
子承父業(yè),，哈哈 100年來(lái)，我們回到了起點(diǎn),！
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 13:18
everfree 發(fā)表于 2012-8-25 11:45
思科是做系統(tǒng)的,，卻要有機(jī)械設(shè)計(jì)師，按說(shuō)這不難理解,。但是surfacer社友揪住做系統(tǒng)的不做箱子一句話不放,，我 ...
只是針對(duì)這句而言“人家玩系統(tǒng)的公司就不玩箱子，有利潤(rùn)也不玩,，微軟就不玩地產(chǎn),，那是川普玩的,，在米國(guó)是一個(gè)笑料，而玩箱子的公司就玩的精通,，無(wú)論是散熱、是屏蔽,、防震,，交給人家你就放心得了，”
然而事實(shí)告訴我們,，思科的“無(wú)論是散熱,、是屏蔽、防震”,，應(yīng)該都搞得不錯(cuò),，并沒(méi)有完全地“交給人家你就放心得了”
作者: huhaofei 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 13:21
大俠，社區(qū)的財(cái)富啊
作者: surfacer 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 13:48
阿拉無(wú)意與誰(shuí)抬杠,，但你在國(guó)內(nèi)可以玩成一個(gè)東西,，必須你自己盡力，誰(shuí)都不能幫你,，阿拉自己的體會(huì),，假如不是阿拉每件事自己盡力，親歷親為,，自己細(xì)致地控制每一個(gè)點(diǎn),，早被人家玩死幾十次了，沒(méi)有誰(shuí)想玩死你,，只是人家覺(jué)得那東西‘差不多’,，就這一個(gè)‘差不多’，就玩死了中國(guó)的整個(gè)工業(yè)系統(tǒng),，
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華為與思科的數(shù)通設(shè)備機(jī)箱都是富士康偉創(chuàng)力之流做的,，華為的工程師要親歷親為，難道思科的工程師（注：不一定美國(guó)人）就不需要,？能有多少本質(zhì)區(qū)別,？
十年前港X（已關(guān)門(mén)）的網(wǎng)絡(luò)設(shè)備，貼張NXX的牌子就賣(mài)到日本了,，日本人那么傻,？不怕“玩死了”的中國(guó)產(chǎn)品？
作者: 孫啟明 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 14:21
天朝玩的是人,，外邦玩的是產(chǎn)品和技術(shù),，兩種思維方式，不可同日而語(yǔ),。
作者: 孤酒 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 14:27
以前的學(xué)徒工也要三年,，現(xiàn)在看來(lái)都覺(jué)得不可思議
作者: wuguangzhe11 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 14:36
中國(guó)不是天朝,，是技術(shù)二流國(guó)家。
作者: kuziniezuofu 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 16:02
孫啟明 發(fā)表于 2012-8-25 14:21
天朝玩的是人,，外邦玩的是產(chǎn)品和技術(shù),，兩種思維方式，不可同日而語(yǔ),。
眼光毒辣啊呵呵
作者: kuziniezuofu 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 16:16
有一疑問(wèn)啊,，我朝軍工和航天還是可以的，成飛J20,沈飛J21,，為什么沒(méi)轉(zhuǎn)化成高水準(zhǔn)的生產(chǎn)力呢,？
作者: 活的自在 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 19:17
專業(yè)化很重要，小爺玩這個(gè)就是精通,，你不服,？讓你看看，人家玩系統(tǒng)的公司就不玩箱子,，有利潤(rùn)也不玩,，微軟就不玩地產(chǎn)，那是川普玩的,，在米國(guó)是一個(gè)笑料,，而玩箱子的公司就玩的精通，無(wú)論是散熱,、是屏蔽,、防震，交給人家你就放心得了,，
這個(gè)是真的有啊,、。,。,。。
作者: 無(wú)獨(dú)有偶 時(shí)間: 2012-8-25 20:50
親歷親為,，難怪中國(guó)的能人都給累死了,。
聽(tīng)過(guò)一個(gè)說(shuō)法，為什么說(shuō)快馬先死,，好刀先鈍,。
拉磨負(fù)重全是快馬上，因?yàn)榭彀�,，啥都用他,，不給累死才怪。
作者: 李陳秋123 時(shí)間: 2012-8-30 10:13
8,，再說(shuō)你,，我們是要念書(shū)的年代沒(méi)念,，大學(xué)出來(lái)沒(méi)有基礎(chǔ)知識(shí)，有些大學(xué)生完全不懂公差,，不懂材料,，什么是鋼，什么是鐵都沒(méi)有概念
現(xiàn)在的學(xué)生基本上都是這樣啊
父母上學(xué)是這樣,孩子上學(xué)還是這樣
我就是
作者: 楊云123 時(shí)間: 2012-8-30 12:11
心結(jié) 發(fā)表于 2012-8-24 16:18
可不是,，NND,，由于自己沒(méi)盯著，噴個(gè)清漆噴個(gè)亂七八糟,，動(dòng)平衡不過(guò)關(guān)最后還得褪漆重新來(lái)過(guò)……
噴漆對(duì)動(dòng)平衡影響很大啊,？什么設(shè)備的動(dòng)平衡
我上次做葉輪的動(dòng)平衡是噴漆前作的
作者: 韭菜炒大蔥 時(shí)間: 2012-8-30 13:14
我沒(méi)資格發(fā)表意見(jiàn),，只是看看。
樓上有幾位鬧的慌,，能否理論事情對(duì)錯(cuò),，別扯上人呢。
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